10 meter radios- legal?

[jwalker48]

Hi Night Crawler

A Licensed ham operator may use a non type accepted radio on the CB band as long as the Ham operator is licensed and is complying with the rules and limitations of the CB Band. No more than 4 watts carrier and a peak power of 12 watts is allowed. It is up to the Ham operator to make sure he or she is within compliance.

It is illegal for a person without a Ham license to operate a non-type accepted radio, even if it is being used within the compliance of 4 watts carrier and 12 watts peak for CB. It is the commercial sale of the exports that is illegal, but as a Ham operator you may use an export or non-type accepted radio for Ham bands as long as you are within the guidelines of the respective Ham bands.

Ham operators are allowed to build and modify any radio equipment under an "experimental station" exemption as long as the Ham operator is within compliance of the rules and limitations of the band that he or she is using. The rule of thumb is only one experimental station is to be used at a time. The sale of an experimental station to anyone other than a Ham operator is not legal. Building radios on a commercial basis is unauthorized. A Ham operator may possess one 10 meter amplifier at a time per station. If you do not have a Ham license then just the possession of the amp would be illegal whether it is in your closet or on your bench.

Ham operators may build, possess and use export radios on CB if it is on an experimental basis and is not being manufactured for commercial sale, and the Ham operator is within compliance of the use on CB radio. A Ham ticket is a very powerful license. It allows one to have a scanner in their vehicle even in those jurisdictions where scanners are not allowed in vehicles by local ordinances.

I hold an FCC license and may work on any radio legally as long as I do not alter the radio to operate illegally or out of compliance. I may transmit on anything from Marine radios to police radios under the owners license and consent. I may contact the Coast Guard on channel 16 and get a radio check as long as I state who I am, where I am and what I want. The only exception is I may repair Ham radios using a Dummy load, but even with an FCC repair license, I may not make over the air communication, even for a radio check. unless I also possess a Ham ticket.

Ham operators may use any radio on CB as long as it is in compliance within the limitations of 4 watts carrier and 12 watts peak power. No ham operator using any radio is allowed to exceed these limitations, licensed or not. As I stated a Ham ticket is a powerful license. One must have a Ham ticket to operate a M.A.R.S station. the only exception is a commanding officer, or his designated representative, in the military may use the Military Affiliated Radio Service to communicate with other MARS stations and Ham operators. They are the only ones that do not need a Ham license to do so.

Getting a Ham license is much easier now that the code has been dropped as a requirement. I had to learn code when I got my Ham ticket. I don't think that requirement should have been dropped, but they had to do something because the Cell Phone was killing Ham radio. I recommend to any driver or operator to get a Ham license. No official can touch you or your equipment as long as you have a Ham license. This includes scanners and any amp or home made radio, unless it can be proven that you are operating out of compliance.

Respectfully.

I must differ with you with respect to Part 95 and Part 97. You May NOT use ANY radio on CB, amateur license or otherwise if it not certified for that use. ALL CB radios must comply with Part 95 including FCC certification. Amateur operators MAY NOT use "any radio on CB so long as it complies with "4 watt and 12 watt peak power". Amateur radios may be used on amateur radio in accordance with Part 97 ONLY. A ham MAY NOT use a so-called "export" radio on CB. Want to prove it? READ Part 95 and its equipment requirements for CB Radio. Then LOOK for the certification sticker on the export radio; you will not FIND it!

A "ham licence is NOT a "powerful" license. It permits one to operate ON the ham bands according to Part 97 and confers NO power to operate in any other band other than that covered by same! MARS is military, and while one must comply with Part 97 AND military regulations, its frequencies are separate and it's actual operation is governed by NTIA. Operators operate with PERMISSION (and training) from their State MARS Directors.


The so-called "scanner exemption" is also a misconception. IT WILL NOT NECESSARILY PROTECT YOUR SCANNER FROM SEIZURE!!! iT IS A COMMON MISTAKE! What it WILL do is protect your AMATEUR transceiver THAT
HAPPENS TO SCAN from overzealous law officers. In some jurisdictions, your Bearcat SCANNER may still be seized, your so-called "license" notwithstanding.

I suggest you check it out; you will find that I have told you the truth. A "ham" license is NOT a free ride to everywhere!



jwalker

[drdx]

Wow, this deal really explode, but the funny part, to take cbdoctor's thing further, is that most if not all on here either operate illegally modified cb's or ham rigs on cb, period. Really in the end it doesn't matter unless you get caught, right? Sure, in theory, you're breaking the law, but unless you always drive 54 in a 55, never cheat on your taxes, don't carry a weapon, keep an in compliance radio station, never drink and drive, even just down the street, then you're breaking the law somewhere. I'm glad to agree to disagree as it helps folks move on. I'm amazed that this topic went on like mental ping-pong like it did, with me chipping in so I'm just as guilty. There is one thing that would resolve it, and that would be some official word. The number to the field office here used to be 214-720-2200, but I don't feel like calling them. I'm afraid they'd sniff out my cbness and ask me to come help me install the puck mound on the presidential limo. I think they could care less about cb these days unless you're asking for it but I'm not going to venture a guess on that. With a new regime could come new enforcement. I'm random and mobile for the most part, but if i had a base of any size and talked on unauthorized frequencies I'd think twice. I think it is much safer to run power on the regular 40 than it is to talk on the uppers and lowers in the so called freeband, and those ham wannabe's have less of an excuse these days, especially with the morse code (cw) requirement lifted for a real ham license.

I'm a ham of 26 years now and there is nothing I'd love more than for the hf bands to turn into CB, circa 1977, complete with big power. That would be a blast. It, like other things that were thought to never happen, will come to pass as soon as the old guys pass on. Look for either mass deregulation or either mass band access reduction in the next 20 years, or both, as the spectrum is now just like real estate, worth much more to big business than ever before. 20 meters, the dx band of choice, will become the new band for remote control flourescent lights or something of the like.

Slight out of the way topic: Here's another deal, along the same line. Isn't there something in there about having an ERP of 100 milliwatts or less that lets you operate without a license on some parts of the spectrum? I know that there is an ultra low frequency deal that lets you do that but with a limited antenna length and like a watt input. I'm guessing that doesn't apply to the ham bands, as there are some really QRP guys out there, but it is cool. Isn't it something like the 1750 meter band?? it is way below the am broadcast band and I think some use actual stereo amplifiers adapted for the band. It sounds fun though short range. If you think a 9 foot whip is too long, try using a band that needs an antenna that is 1500 or more feet long, but you can only use on that is like only 25 feet long. How far would you get out on cb with an antenna that is a few inches long? That's the same challenge they face. Sounds like fun to me.

Last month in CQ, they did a moon bounce on 10 milliwatts, YES FOLKS, TO THE MOON AND BACK ON 1 TENTH OF A WATT, so it is possible. That sure makes you rethink the importance of an antenna. So, to the moon and back, half a million miles amost, on 1/10 the amount of power that comes from a 1975 radio shack space patrol walkie talkie. That's amazing to me, maybe not to you.

-drdx

[TheCBDoctor]

Hi guys,

I must clarify what I said as to the power of having a Ham license. The power lies in the fact that I have never heard of the FCC or anyone turning in a Ham station. As long as the Ham is not free-banding or causing intentional interference. The worst that could happen if it is unintentional is a cease and desist order. If it is a CB'er it will mean a fine and confiscation. It still is the responsibility of the Ham operator to make sure he or she is in compliance.

A non-type accepted radio used for 10 meters is legal for Ham operators to use and possess because it may be construed as an experimental station. It must only comply with the standards of the Ham band. I can build a Ham radio out of wax paper, aluminum foil and some copper wire. Would anyone say that it is not type accepted? Who will turn in a Ham operator? The local Ham club in which you are a member?

No, it is the CB'er that will get turned in. If so, it was a Ham club that filed a complaint. Let a cop take my scanner out of my vehicle, after all he is the one with the gun, but when I bring my Ham ticket to court I will get the scanner back.

Protect yourself, get a Ham license. The FCC is bending over backwards to keep Ham radio alive. It is the CB'ers using the exports that are getting a hard time. If you want to have your Yeasu opened for continuous coverage, then send it to Yeasu with a copy of your MARS license. Yeasu will do the mod because it is legal for the person with a MARS license to possess a continuous coverage radio. The only requirement to operate and receive a MARS license is to participate in the MARS program for a year and pass the final test. The government will provide you with the equipment to do so at no charge.

Have a Ham license, using 4 watts carrier and 12 watts peak on CB. No one will bother you no matter what radio you are using. Part 95 and part 97 conflict with each other when it comes to Ham and MARS.

Respectfully,

[Night Crawler]

The so-called "scanner exemption" is also a misconception.

Here's some information pertaining to Amateur Operators and the Scanner Law.
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[jwalker48]

Well, there's one thing right about us "old" guys! Only a 15 y/o can read that link!
LMAO!

Humpy

[TaterR]

Since you're into commercial system repair, riddle me this. So then I can take my 2 meter/440 rig and open it up and use it on the local FD and PD frequencies? I can use it on GMRS, FRS, and MURS too by the same logic?

I know everyone on here does what they want to do and no one is trying to say otherwise. Someone asked what the law was and therefore the law was posted.

[De_Wildfire]

Hi Guys,

I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this point. I will bet there is not one person on this forum that has a type accepted radio that has not voided the type acceptance of their CB radio. If anyone here has a CB radio that has not been modified, then I have dry swamp land in Florida for sale

I have a Grant XL that is completely virgin. Never opened. I have a Cobra 148GTL also virgin, never opened. Both were made in the Philippines. I have a Cobra 138XLR that, as far as I can tell, has not been modified. It was made in Japan. So, how many acres of swamp land are we talking about? I'll admit though, that I have owned radios in the past that the type acceptance was voided on and I own to HR2510s that work on 11 meters. But whether someone voided their type acceptance wasn't the issue.

Is it possible that many on this forum do not like Ham operators because no one will break their chops for using their Ham equipment on CB within the CB band limitations. I have had experience with both 10 and 11 meters and there are great people on both bands and some AAA-Holes as well. I like the CB band because of one word......... Freedom. When the day comes and the government shuts down cell phones, the Internet and GPS it will be the Ham and the CB band that will get the word out. It will happen here one day. Anyone familiar with the Smart Grid? It is coming to a neighbor near you, and then in your neighborhood.

I've gotten on amateur radio operators who use their amateur gear on CB...and I'm licensed. The reason I've gotten on them is because I know they bust the chops of CB operators for not following the rules. They're big hypocrites if they get on CB operators for running illegal equipment when they're breaking the rules themselves. And I simply point that out to them. That said, why, exactly, would the government shut down cell phones or the Internet? GPS I can see, although I doubt they would do it. But who knows?

There will be a crisis and with the flick of a switch the only voices that will be heard will be on CB. I am sure that Ham will be ordered shut down just as it was during WW II. I don't want to sound paranoid, but just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you. It is time for me to go out and have a Left Handed Cigarette break.

For that matter, the government could tell CBers to stop operating as well. They could easily say that 27MHz operation is illegal and move the band to 400MHz. Granted, it would be difficult. But they could do it.

"Never let a good crisis go to waste" President Obama's Chief of Staff. Hold on to your guns and microphones, we will need them.

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Wooooooo wait a minute. Not all amateur radio operators are hypocrites. I am an amateur radio operator and I use certified type accepted radio for 11 meters which is a unmodified TRAM D64 mobile on a power supply. Yes, you are right, I hear hams around me using their high powered ham equipment illegally on the cb band but if they want to run the risk of losing their license and getting fined, then that's on them. I am not out here to judge. What they don't know is all it takes is one neighbor to complain and the F.C. C. coming out to yank their licenses. One RFI problem and the whole house is brought down on them. Is it worth the risk for me? No way. Hams have all their bands to play and if they want to be stupid by operating ham equipment on cb then it will soon catch up with them.

[Night Crawler]

I must clarify what I said as to the power of having a Ham license. The power lies in the fact that I have never heard of the FCC or anyone turning in a Ham station.

Sure they do

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[madsage]

yeah a buddy of mine just recieved a warning citation from the fcc for swearing on the CB radio, lol
(most of these are just warnings or fix it tickets if you will)

he is a general class operator even, some other old grouchy hams turned him in, he is a younger guy in his 20's.
Guess some old f%#!cks didnt like the idea that he was enjoying the hobby more than these old miserable farts waiting to die.

But again, this too would fall under bringing negative attention to yourself, even though the old **Censored** hams were following him around,
as we QSY'd from 2meter to 27.3650 lsb one evening so we could talk more freely. being respectful not to tie up the repeater or re-broadcast anything that wasnt fit for 2meter operation.

933 Arizona

[jwalker48]

Since you're into commercial system repair, riddle me this. So then I can take my 2 meter/440 rig and open it up and use it on the local FD and PD frequencies? I can use it on GMRS, FRS, and MURS too by the same logic?

I know everyone on here does what they want to do and no one is trying to say otherwise. Someone asked what the law was and therefore the law was posted.

Again, amateur radios may NOT be used in any other service. It goes back to the FCC certification thing again. Ham radios are NOT certified for any other use other than the ham bands, and in that use, they don't require "certification" tho they must meet certain minimum standards for spectral purity and image rejection, etc. Boston, Mass (I believe it was) got the bright (?) idea to do this very thing some years back and purchased a whole passel of UHF/VHF radios to replace their expensive commercial stuff. FCC got wind of it, and issued a huge fine. OUCH! So if an individual takes it upon himself to open up his 2 Meter radio to operate on the local fire/rescue frequencies, he is risking a fine and loss of license. OH! The same thing goes for FRS/MURS. The answer to your question is ALL RADIO EQUIPMENT REQUIRES CERTIFICATION FOR THE SERVICE IN WHICH IT IS INTENDED! AMATEUR RADIOS ARE NOT APPROVED FOR ANY OTHER USE BUT THE AMATEUR BANDS!

jwalker

[TheCBDoctor]

Hi jwalker48

I know what you mean. I needed my super bench repair glasses to read it. What it does say is that it is illegal to use the scanner in your vehicle with criminal intent. If you are robbing a store and you are using a scanner that adds to the penalty. As I read further it does exempt those with permits and Ham operators to use scanners in a vehicle for public safety.

It notes that two states had to add criminal intend into their statues, NJ and KY. The complaint is that the locals do not recognize the FCC's reaffirmation of the legitimate use of scanners in a vehicle. I would say the scanner protection afforded Hams to use scanners in their vehicles is upheld by the FCC; as long as they are not Hams using a scanner to commit a crime.

If I misread that let me know and I will use stronger glasses.

Respectfully,

[TaterR]

Since you're into commercial system repair, riddle me this. So then I can take my 2 meter/440 rig and open it up and use it on the local FD and PD frequencies? I can use it on GMRS, FRS, and MURS too by the same logic?

I know everyone on here does what they want to do and no one is trying to say otherwise. Someone asked what the law was and therefore the law was posted.

Again, amateur radios may NOT be used in any other service. It goes back to the FCC certification thing again. Ham radios are NOT certified for any other use other than the ham bands, and in that use, they don't require "certification" tho they must meet certain minimum standards for spectral purity and image rejection, etc. Boston, Mass (I believe it was) got the bright (?) idea to do this very thing some years back and purchased a whole passel of UHF/VHF radios to replace their expensive commercial stuff. FCC got wind of it, and issued a huge fine. OUCH! So if an individual takes it upon himself to open up his 2 Meter radio to operate on the local fire/rescue frequencies, he is risking a fine and loss of license. OH! The same thing goes for FRS/MURS. The answer to your question is ALL RADIO EQUIPMENT REQUIRES CERTIFICATION FOR THE SERVICE IN WHICH IT IS INTENDED! AMATEUR RADIOS ARE NOT APPROVED FOR ANY OTHER USE BUT THE AMATEUR BANDS!

jwalker

Yes. You get it. I was referring to CBDoc as I believe he services commercial equipment. By using his logic for 10 to 11 meter usage, I could turn down my 2/440 rig to 500mW and use it on FRS; or turn it down to 2W and use it on MURS.

We are saying the same thing jw.

[TheCBDoctor]

Hi jwalker48

I would say that if you transmit on anyone's licensed station you should be subjected to enforcement of the FCC. I have never advocated using a radio to talk to cops or even a taxis service, because it does not belong to me.

CB belongs to everybody. I think the misconception of what I tried to convey got lost in the sauce. My HR 2510 is a type accepted radio for use on the 10 meter Ham band. If I have a Ham license and I use it on CB within the limitations of 4 watts carrier and no more than 12 watts peak power, I have nothing to worry about. No one will turn me in because:

1) I am using a good radio not some piece of.........

2) I am within the limits of what is allowed on CB.

3) I have a Ham license so possession of the radio by me is not illegal.

4) The fact I have an amp capable of operating on CB does not mean I am using it on CB. As a Ham I may possess one per station. The moment I use it on CB I am in violation of the law.

5) I have never said a Ham can use a anymore power on CB legally because of a Ham license. I am stating that as a Ham operator using the HR 2510 on CB within the limitations of the band is not a violation of the CB Band.

6) If I am using my Ham equipment on CB with 4 watts carrier and no more than 12 watts peak power no one will think I am a Ham operator violating the CB band. No, they will think I am some Mud Duck because 99% of the other radios on CB are in violation and most are using at least 24 watts peak power. Who is going to go after me? Not my fellow Ham club members. Not my neighbors, certainly not the FCC. The FCC is going after the knucklehead down the road or across the state that is violating the radio spectrum whether they have a Ham ticket or not.

7) Can you use an export radio that is not type accepted on Ham frequencies with a Ham license? Yes, you can under the experimental clause of part 97. You may not sell them for any reason, or use them on CB. The Ham operator is responsible for the legal operation of his or her radio when using one's radio. If it throws spurs or causes interference the Ham operator is responsible.

I live in the real world and I am not a lawyer. Despite any interpretation, no one can tell me of anyone that has a Ham license and is using their Ham radio to communicate on CB, within the Band's limitations, that has ever been busted. It is only those that crank it up on CB that get caught and are fined. CB radios built before 1968 are not required to have type acceptance tags but most still comply with the guidelines set down for CB radio.

Can any one here say that using a Ham radio on CB with 4 watts dead key and no more than 12 watts peak has gotten them or anyone they know in trouble? I bet not one person ever got into hot water under those circumstance. I have read part 95 and part 97. There are loopholes for Ham operators, they just must not violate the limitations of the CB band.

Show me a Ham operator that gets into trouble and I will show you an operator that is not like by Hams, neighbors, or CB'ers.

Just my humble opinion.

[Foxhunter]

Commercial licenses were mentioned above, as well as scanners. I wanted to throw this in.

This might not be 100% accurate but I think you need a FCC 1st Class Radiotelephone License (there are 1st 2nd and 3rd class licenses) to service some/certain types of radio equipment. Similarly, for Marine Radio there is GMDSS Radio Maintainer's License and am nearly sure there is an aircraft equivalent too. Because reliable radio operational condition is considered safety-critical in some modes of transportation and communication.

Well the comment about the use of mobile scanners being legal brought up a good and interesting point. For anyone interested, try and remember that the laws on their use vary from state-to-state and make sure you remain up-to-date on what the current statutes are in the state you live in----or----any surrounding states that you may be traveling in or through on a trip. Some states require permits to have in a mobile setting.

March 23, 2009

Radar Detectors, Lasers and Scanners
A Legislative Overview



Table 2: State Laws on Mobile Scanners
States and Descriptions:

CALIFORNIA
Scanner usage illegal in furtherance of a crime.

FLORIDA
Scanners illegal when mounted in vehicles unless the individual is a licensed alarm system contractor, a member of the press on assignment, a licensed amateur radio operator, or a citizen with written permission from the chief of police of sheriff.

INDIANA
Scanners illegal when mounted in vehicles unless the individual is a licensed alarm system contractor, a member of the press on assignment, a licensed amateur radio operator, or a citizen with written permission from the chief of police or sheriff.

KENTUCKY
Scanners are illegal while vehicles are mobile unless the user has a Federal Communications Commission licensure. Law enforcement officers are authorized to seize and destroy scanners. The law exempts the following:

retailers and wholesalers selling radios.
Commercial, educational, or television stations using them at the place of business.
Individuals at their residences.
Commercial towing trucks.
Newspaper reporters and photographers on duty.
Disaster and emergency services personnel with written permission from the state director of emergency services.
People holding a valid amateur radio license.
Peace officers authorized in writing by their agency head.
Commonwealth and county attorneys and their assistants.

MICHIGAN
Police receiver radios are illegal in vehicles unless the driver is an amateur-radio operator with technician-class license or above, or with written permission.

MINNESOTA
Mobile scanners are illegal except for police and amateur radio operators licensed by the Federal Communications Commission. The Superintendent of the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension also must give approval. Use of scanners in furtherance of a felony is illegal.

NEW JERSEY
Use in furtherance of a crime is illegal.

NEW YORK
Possessing a scanner is illegal for anyone without a permit.

OKLAHOMA
Use in furtherance of a crime is illegal.

SOUTH DAKOTA
Possession for use during a felony is illegal.
Use in business establishments legal with prior written permit.
Amateur radio operators exempted from law.
Confiscation for violations.

VERMONT
Use in furtherance of a crime is illegal.

VIRGINIA
Illegal if used to further a felony


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Here is an interestic topic from Eham that I've cited once before that discusses this very same subject from the other side. 10-Meter radios and amplifiers, modification useage etc. May be worth a read and is as debated there among Hams as it is here among 11M ops. I'd read it, parts of it are funny and there are some points made all-around.

Eham: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?
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[TaterR]

5) ... I am stating that as a Ham operator using the HR 2510 on CB within the limitations of the band is not a violation of the CB Band.

There are loopholes for Ham operators, they just must not violate the limitations of the CB band.

I'll stop after this. I'm simply letting everyone know how it is. Knowledge is a powerful thing.

#5 above is what all of this is about. An HR2510 is ALWAYS in violation of the CB band. I don't care if Laura at the FCC is operating it herself. It is not certificated, type-accepted, or whatever word they come up with next, for the Citizens Band. Period.

Will you get caught? That's a whole other ballgame.

[De_Wildfire]

Since you're into commercial system repair, riddle me this. So then I can take my 2 meter/440 rig and open it up and use it on the local FD and PD frequencies? I can use it on GMRS, FRS, and MURS too by the same logic?

I know everyone on here does what they want to do and no one is trying to say otherwise. Someone asked what the law was and therefore the law was posted.

Again, amateur radios may NOT be used in any other service. It goes back to the FCC certification thing again. Ham radios are NOT certified for any other use other than the ham bands, and in that use, they don't require "certification" tho they must meet certain minimum standards for spectral purity and image rejection, etc. Boston, Mass (I believe it was) got the bright (?) idea to do this very thing some years back and purchased a whole passel of UHF/VHF radios to replace their expensive commercial stuff. FCC got wind of it, and issued a huge fine. OUCH! So if an individual takes it upon himself to open up his 2 Meter radio to operate on the local fire/rescue frequencies, he is risking a fine and loss of license. OH! The same thing goes for FRS/MURS. The answer to your question is ALL RADIO EQUIPMENT REQUIRES CERTIFICATION FOR THE SERVICE IN WHICH IT IS INTENDED! AMATEUR RADIOS ARE NOT APPROVED FOR ANY OTHER USE BUT THE AMATEUR BANDS!

jwalker

Ham radios are permitted to go out of band. I hold a MARS license and we interact with FEMA, Red Cross, ect. ect. The military has ok'd amateur radio conversions to their frequencies. Now, we can not operate on Police, Fire, ect. ect frequencies because we are not licensed there and their rules say we can't modify a radio for transmit but we can operate their radios if we deploy to the EOC and given instructions from above. As for the F.C.C. , if they need a place to stay, I'll leave the light on for them and save some tax dollars.

[Night Crawler]

A Licensed ham operator may use a non type accepted radio on the CB band as long as the Ham operator is licensed and is complying with the rules and limitations of the CB Band. No more than 4 watts carrier and a peak power of 12 watts is allowed. It is up to the Ham operator to make sure he or she is within compliance.

Can you use an export radio that is not type accepted on Ham frequencies with a Ham license? Yes, you can under the experimental clause of part 97. You may not use them on CB.

Your contradicting yourself.

[De_Wildfire]

A Licensed ham operator may use a non type accepted radio on the CB band as long as the Ham operator is licensed and is complying with the rules and limitations of the CB Band. No more than 4 watts carrier and a peak power of 12 watts is allowed. It is up to the Ham operator to make sure he or she is within compliance.

Can you use an export radio that is not type accepted on Ham frequencies with a Ham license? Yes, you can under the experimental clause of part 97. You may not use them on CB.

Your contradicting yourself.

The way I understand it, if I am going to run on the cb band then it has to be FCC type accepted without any modifications. Thats why I use a TRAM D64 40 channel mobile on a power supply. I have to agree with using a FCC type accepted radio.

[TheCBDoctor]

Hi Foxhunter

Thanks for clarifying the scanner issue. At one time police issued summonses for using a police radio when the radio was actually a scanner. The FCC clarified that a receiver was not a police radio. The original statue allowed any citizen to receive any radio signal for any lawful purpose. It has since changed when Cell phones came out and transmitted in the clear. Now that they are digital the point is moot.

I wish I had all of the lost conversations that I have recorded across the radio spectrum before the law went into effect. It would make you look at your neighbor in a whole new light.

Respectfully,

[Punkin Head]

im kinda pressed for time and didnt read the whole thread, if what im about to say has been posted already I apologize up front.

One thing to remember is there is a difference between a 10m Radio and an Export radio. A 10m Radio will not land you in any trouble as long as your not operating it out of band or without a license. An Export radio (galaxy, connex, magnum, ect) are on the FCC not approved list and are not for use in the USA. Does that stop people from using them?..No. Is there a chance you will get in trouble for owning a banned radio?....Yes, altho it is very tiny. about the same chance as a maxon walkie talkie keying over a 24pill keydown machine but the chance is there none the less.

I know a couple drivers whos radios and amps were confiscated at a weigh station during a routine inspection, DOT guys had a list of nonapproved equipment and it was taken from them and they could go to court and get them back if they could prove that it was FCC approved equipment or they could pay the fine and forget it. They paid and chalked it up as a loss.

I have owned many Exports and will own more in my time. I have also owned true 10m Radios as well.

Easiest way to tell a true 10m rig from an Export rig is this....10m ham radios does not have a "channel knob" HAM radio is not channelized so they have a VFO to go thru the full freq range instead of channel blockes. Exports on the otherhand are designed to be converted to cb and thats why those "supposedly 10m rigs" have a channel knob.

just my .02

[TheCBDoctor]

Hi Night Crawler

The two statements are from different posts. When I referred to using an export for CB I meant the illegal "10" meters that have been modified and are being used by unlicensed operators on CB. The illegal 10 meter radios can be used by a Ham operator on a Ham band under the experimental radio clause. It is up to the Ham operator to make sure it complies with the proper operation on the particular Ham band. Ham radios do not have to be type accepted. I may build a Ham radio for my own personal use and that is perfectly legal to use on the Ham band with a Ham ticket.

If I have a HR2510 and I am stopped by the police and I have a Ham license, I have nothing to worry about. If the FCC wants to inspect my HR 2510 and it is capable of operating on CB, but there is no proof that I have transmitted on CB, as long as I have a Ham license I will not worry about it being taken away. There is no law against listening to CB.

The FCC is going after the sale and operation of the non type accepted radios; Galaxy, Connex etc. They are not spending their resources going after HR 2510's in the hands of Hams, MARS, and GROL (FCC Licensed) operators. The export radio market has gotten out of hand. That is why the FCC is cracking down on them. Possession of one of these radios in the hands of a Ham operator is legal, just like a linear amp. The operation of those radios on the CB band by a Ham may be a violation, but who is going to bother you if you are not exceeding 12 watts peak?

With operators using 1,600 watts or more and interfering with other land mobile services why would I have to worry about a radio that may do 25 watts on SSB.
I get along with my neighbors, the local Ham clubs and other CB'ers. No one will bother me and my HR 2510. I do not sell exports or the RFX-75. I repair radios legally.

IF the FCC had the means half the people that post on this forum would be in violation and would be visited by Uncle Charlie. I think the reason this thread went on for so long is due to the animosity between CB'ers and Ham operators. Operate your Ham station on CB with no more than 12 watts peak, and an antenna no more than 60 feet in height, and you will not be bothered.

My original post was to protect your radio as a trucker from being seized; make sure you get a MARS, Ham or A GROL license and you will be left alone as long as they do have you recorded violating the CB radio spectrum. Keep it under 12 watts with a Ham license and you will keep your radio.

I think that is enough on the subject from me. Please feel free to discuss the matter further amongst yourselves. I will check in once in a while. It ought to make for some good reading.

Respectfully,

[Punkin Head]

true, they can be used on HAM bands but MOST of the exports even straight from the box are not worthy of HAM bands due to the restrictions on how much bandwith can be used and all that good stuff. alot of them need filters and goodies added to them to make them even close to being acceptable on amateur bands. Thats part of the fun to some tho, reworking equipment and improving on its design and all. its all part of the hobby for both cb and ham.

as far as on CB 11m freqs, even when licensed the equipment has to be type accepted. we are not allowed to modify our Icom IC7000 (or whatever you have) to work on CB 11m freqs, that could land us in alot of trouble as well. It does happen and people get away with it all the time.

[TheCBDoctor]

Hi Punkin Head

I agree with that. The illegal exports are not worthy of use on 10 meters. The fun is in getting them to be worthy of 10 meters. That would take some time and may not be worth the expense. That is why I own and used to collect HR 2510's It is the best 10 meter mobile radio on the market, in my humble opinion.

Would you agree that a Cobra 2000 GTL modified to work strictly on 10 meters in the possession of a Ham operator is legal? I personally, never talk out of band, and never use more power than is needed to make contact. I have respect for the radio spectrum and understand why the rules and regulations were put into place for a reason. I enjoy working the sideband with no more than 25 watts peak for the challenge. I would like to get a MARS license eventually.

Working out of a truck stop for the past 5 years has led me to believe the worst thing that ever happened to the CB band is the introduction of the new illegal "10 meter" radios.

Respectfully,

[jerrywade1]

I have no Receive and no TX. I have a new audio chip. what could be the problem?

thanks Jerrywade1

[TheCBDoctor]

Hi jerrywade1,

I think you are on the wrong thread. You will get more information by starting a new thread. Let me ask you a couple of question. Does the radio throw a carrier? If so what is the frequency. Do you get any sound at all from the radio? An old radio may have dried up electrolytic capacitors. If so they may be shorted. If it is a cap in the audio section it may affect the audio. I don't have a schematic in front of me at this moment, but if the radio sat for a long time without being used it could be a bad switch or the channel selector. Contact cleaner may take care of that problem.

If you wish to get a hold of me by PM I will try and help you get started in the right direction. I do have the service manual for that radio and will have it out by Thursday evening.

Good luck,