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What diesel do you like?????????

GM's Duramax
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Dodge Cummin's
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Post by 316 » Sunday, 29 April 2007, 10:24 AM

What do you have?

What do you recommend?

Why?

How long have you had it?

What is your average mileage?

I'm thinking of trading the Silverado in, and I would like a Duramax but everyone is like you'll hate it after a year get a cummins, or get a PStroke.
Why.


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Post by Shaft » Sunday, 29 April 2007, 11:42 AM

316,

Obviously you know the problems with Ford fuel pumps and how they interfere with CB. Unfortunately, the 3 trucks each stand out in different ways. Ford rear ends, Dodge (Cummins) engines, and Chevy (Allison) transmissions.

My brother has a 2000 Dodge 2500. He is very heavily biased towards the Dodge, but says that he would buy a Ford over a Chevy. And I know that's not a Ford Vs. Chevy thing because we were raised on the Chevy side of it. The problems I've heard with the Duramax (which is made by Isuzu) is that it use aluminum heads, which warp under high heat and a diesel will generate that.

Now don't take my word for it because I know you're gonna hear "I've had my Duramax ever since it came out and I've never had a problem".

As far as half tons are concerned, stick with GM. I think the styling of the GM trucks is the best, but most important is the fuel mileage. My GMC crew cab with a 5.3 V8 gets almost the same mileage as my Chrysler Pacifica with a V6. On a good road trip I can get 21 MPG.

Do your research on what you want to get. I too want to get a larger truck like that, but I can't decide on which one. Fortunately the limitation of fund has made that decision easy for me so I could vote NONE OF THE ABOVE!
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Post by 316 » Sunday, 29 April 2007, 19:09 PM

Thanks Bryan, how's the trip?
50% poll come on guys, explanations please.

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Post by 231 » Sunday, 29 April 2007, 21:52 PM

I'm on my 3rd Dodge truck. Not for any other reason than trading up each time. Actually I still have 2 of the 3. One is an '03 dually 1-ton 4x4 SLT pkg and the other is an '04 single axle 3/4 ton 4x4 Laramie pkg. Both are loaded, except the Laramie has virtually everything including seat heaters with the leather. Mine have been virtually trouble free and are excellent rigs. Easy to drive, a PITA to park (both are long boxes), and even with a heavy Cargobody canopy pulling my light 16' flat bed trailer on the dually manages to get 18mpg average. Most of any bad fuel mileage is me with my foot in it. :?

Depends on your use in my opinion and how much cash you are willing to part with. The Duramax is a decent motor but indeed is aluminum which really bothers me with a diesel. However, they've had little to no trouble with the motors as far as I can tell, and I know a few who own them. The Chev is roughly 20% or so more expensive if I recall. I've heard some say the auto trans on the Dodge is weak, but I've never had any problems with mine at all. But I've kept them stock, too. Too many people beef up the chips in the diesels and do nothing with the drive train. Can't do that...and expect it to handle it.

The thing I don't like about the GM is independent front suspension (IFS) in their 4WD rigs. I'm partial to straight axle myself being I wheel and all. Less moving parts, and frankly mine ride excellent! Those are just a couple of things I can think of.

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Post by 316 » Monday, 30 April 2007, 11:22 AM

The thing I don't like about the GM is independent front suspension (IFS) in their 4WD rigs. I'm partial to straight axle myself being I wheel and all. Less moving parts, and frankly mine ride excellent! Those are just a couple of things I can think of.

Yeah I hate that too.


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Post by Duck Commander » Monday, 30 April 2007, 11:48 AM

Dodge because how many Chevy Diesels have you seen drive into a dealership with 500,000 miles on em and notice i said drive into a dealership? :lol: :lol: :lol:

If i had my choice i would have a Chevy truck with a Caterpilliar engine but i cant have that so i would have a Cummins over and Izuzu any day. Ive had 3 of em and not had a problem out of any of em my dad still has 1 it has 165,000 on it still cranks n runs like it was new no oil leaks doesnt use oil and gets about 17-19 MPG
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Post by Phaze91460 » Monday, 30 April 2007, 12:56 PM

I have a ford, chevy and dodge.

I love the ford except the steering.

My daily driver is the dodge. Hate the transmission.

Hate the chevy, cant haul a load, not enough power, cab ergonomics sux.

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Post by White Lightning » Monday, 30 April 2007, 13:19 PM

If I was buying a new truck with a diesel I would defiantly get a Dodge I don't think GM has all the bugs worked out of the Duramax yet

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Post by Z28 » Monday, 30 April 2007, 19:21 PM

I'm more of a Chevy guy at heart but I own a 99 Dodge Cummins 5speed.I'm still not sold on the Duramax because I have seen several that had engines replaced at 80,000 to 100,000 miles.I worked at a dealership that sold both Chevy and Dodge and I noticed way less Cummins come in for repair.The Dana 60 front and Dana 80 rear in my Dodge seem virtually indestructible when compared to Chevys light duty independent front suspension.
As far as the Ford 6.0,every tech Friend I have says they have been a complete and total nightmare.My boss owns a Ford 6.0 powerstroke that he had in the shop 3 times for turbocharger,Injectors,and broke intercooler in under 5700 miles.
All the new diesels in 2007 are under much more strict emissions laws and use egr and particulate filters and whatever else needed to reduce pollutants so I'd be a little nervous about any problems with this new equipment.
I also have a couple mods on my Dodge -Edge Comp,4inch exhaust,and high flow filter.With only these mods the truck made 326hp and 700ft lbs at the wheel.
OK I'm done rambling on,I vote Dodge. :)

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Post by Shaft » Monday, 30 April 2007, 19:24 PM

Z28 wrote:.....I worked at a dealership that sold both Chevy and Dodge and I noticed way less Cummins come in for repair......
That just about does it for me. I was the first to vote and I voted Dodge, but what you just said makes me even more confident in my vote.
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Post by oknaz » Monday, 30 April 2007, 22:06 PM

I'm a chevy guy ...My 94 C1500 is suppose to be a 1/2 ton but it's a 3/4 ton package but i tell you what i've pulled more weight than any 1/2 or 3/4 ton out there . 4 ton forklift , a u-haul car hauler loaded with a 3600 lb blazer ....Good ole 4L60e tranny at it's best but this old truck has the 4.3L TBI and 179,000 miles and still going .

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Post by triple7wva » Tuesday, 08 May 2007, 23:25 PM

mopar or no car!! atleast when it comes to a diesel.

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Post by Punkin Head » Wednesday, 09 May 2007, 0:27 AM

I have drove dodge and ford deisels as far as power both were good. chevys are nice to look at but the power just isnt there, that brakes my heart cuz im a chevy man, but I prefer dodge over ford in this one.
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Post by Punkin Head » Wednesday, 09 May 2007, 0:30 AM

oknaz wrote:I'm a chevy guy ...My 94 C1500 is suppose to be a 1/2 ton but it's a 3/4 ton package but i tell you what i've pulled more weight than any 1/2 or 3/4 ton out there . 4 ton forklift , a u-haul car hauler loaded with a 3600 lb blazer ....Good ole 4L60e tranny at it's best but this old truck has the 4.3L TBI and 179,000 miles and still going .
I hauled a load of scrap metal off one time pulling with my 2000 ranger with 3.0 v6, the load was a 77 international carry all loaded inside and out with steel scrap from my dads shop, alot of pipe and flanges and heavy stuff. my top speed was about 45 cuz my front end was very lite, when they weighed me when i got there then unloaded me and weighed me again i was 11,798 pounds lighter. i kept the receipt for bragging rights cuz thats a major load for a little ford ranger lol.
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Post by oknaz » Wednesday, 09 May 2007, 6:34 AM

I've noticed those v-6's have more torque than a v-8 ....But pulling a load they'll do it without even breathing hard ....The GVWR on my truck is 6975 but mine is a heavy 1/2 ton

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Post by THUMPER » Wednesday, 09 May 2007, 13:56 PM

the old ford 300 inline 6 is a good motor and i think would out pull and hall them 3.o v-6 i would love to get my hands one one again and swap it over to porpain and put it in a rock bug,



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Post by QuickSilver 112 » Wednesday, 09 May 2007, 14:51 PM

This would b a good truck to go play with http://www.f650pickups.com/page0002.html 8)

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Post by Duck Commander » Wednesday, 09 May 2007, 15:02 PM

Shiz for that price tag i believe i would go ahead and put about 15K with it and buy myself
a Long Nose Peter with a 550HP Kitty Cat and 13 spd and really get some looks with dat
cottonpicka me personally thats what i would do

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Post by Rex_foxhound » Wednesday, 09 May 2007, 17:51 PM

Duck Commander wrote:
If i had my choice i would have a Chevy truck with a Caterpilliar engine
I've got a cousin who works at GM and he was tellin me and my dad that there's a rumor going around down there that there may be a Cat engine in the future for GM diesel pickups.
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Post by Popcorn501 » Wednesday, 09 May 2007, 18:18 PM

I drive a 06 550 with a 6.0 power stroke and it has only 38,000 on it and so far no prob.But they have had alot of problems with them,place i used to work we had the 6.0's in the shop all the time.And yes they have had alot of problems with the Duramax.I don't know why they don't do away with the aluminum heads,isuzu makes a really good engine we run them in our Hitachi backhoes.And the Dodge with the cummins my friend has had about 4 of them and he loves them.

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Post by 316 » Wednesday, 09 May 2007, 19:00 PM

Rex_foxhound wrote:
Duck Commander wrote:
If i had my choice i would have a Chevy truck with a Caterpilliar engine
I've got a cousin who works at GM and he was tellin me and my dad that there's a rumor going around down there that there may be a Cat engine in the future for GM diesel pickups.
That would be really nice.
I have heard that rumor since 1997 and chevy and ford are fighting for the rights.

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Post by Duck Commander » Thursday, 10 May 2007, 12:10 PM

Ive been hearin that rumor for awhile myself i was told they couldnt find a tranny to put in
there that would hold up and have also heard for many years that ford actually has the rites
to the cummins engine but IMO if this were true why would they let Dodge put em in there
trucks and not put em in there own trucks its the king of diesel engines in the P/U class
of vehicles :roll:
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Post by THUMPER » Thursday, 10 May 2007, 12:17 PM

Toyota is rumored to be using a cat motor . could vary well be cat is owned by japan now
it was rumored that they Will be using the cat motor with a duel turbo set in there new Toyota full size truck

Chevy will never use cat that rumor has been as old as bozo socks and has been going around since the 90's



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THUMPER wrote:Toyota is rumored to be using a cat motor . could vary well be cat is owned by japan now
it was rumored that they Will be using the cat motor with a duel turbo set in there new Toyota full size truck

Chevy will never use cat that rumor has been as old as bozo socks and has been going around since the 90's

OH no Oh no Oh no no no, that can't happen my wife is a f%#$i@$ Toyota Fanatic and she will go nuts it they come out with a diesel I finally got her talked into taking my Silverado so I can get that diesel.

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Post by Shaft » Thursday, 10 May 2007, 18:01 PM

Duck Commander wrote:Ive been hearin that rumor for awhile myself i was told they couldnt find a tranny to put in
there that would hold up and have also heard for many years that ford actually has the rites
to the cummins engine but IMO if this were true why would they let Dodge put em in there
trucks and not put em in there own trucks its the king of diesel engines in the P/U class
of vehicles :roll:
I've been hearing that rumor for years. Also, I've heard that Dodge will start using Mercedes engines. None of those have happened.
I'll do some research on Toyota's and CAT. I know lots of people at Toyota so it shouldn't be too hard to find out.
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Post by 316 » Thursday, 10 May 2007, 18:23 PM

Say it ain't so.........

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Post by minirancher » Thursday, 10 May 2007, 20:52 PM

Best thing to do is call the experts! www.dieselinnovations.com they will say Dodge!

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Post by SUBWAY » Monday, 05 May 2008, 15:58 PM

Well, I truly am a dodge man at heart. 74 Plymouth duster, Ramcharger, Caravan. But, I
broke down and bought a Ford 4 door 1 ton 8 ft box pickup. Reason being is I have a 36ft fifth wheel camper
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Frame extensions etc.. More money than it's worth. I have the 6.0 with extras to get more out of it. Power
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Post by 721HACKSAW » Tuesday, 06 May 2008, 4:49 AM

To start off, I am biased, because right now I am in the Kentucky Truck Plant where the Ford Super Duty pickup is built. Yes, when the 6.0 engine came out there were problems, all manufacturers rush their products to the market before they are ready. The SuperDuty has the highest payload rating of any pickup, The latest F-450 has a pickup style box on it, with over 19,000 lbs. gross rating. Ford have always had their troubles, from the old I-beam suspension, to barely adequate brakes. myself I would be happy to buy any of them because they are made in America, by an AMERICAN OWNED company.

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Post by TX_Dj » Tuesday, 06 May 2008, 5:55 AM

Wow. This should have been titled "Which engine manufacturer, ISUZU or CUMMINS?" ... because it's certainly not an all-encompassing diesel poll. :lol:

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Post by powerstrokin » Thursday, 15 May 2008, 21:52 PM

5.9 Cummins and 7.3 Powerstrokes.

Personally I'd have a Fummins. Ford with a cummins in her.

Stay away from the new 6.7 cummins. Go with the 5.9 - 2003 and up should have the better trannies.
5.9 is a great strong engine. The rest of the truck will likely fall apart prior to engine problems.

6.0 powerstrokes = nothing but problems, turbos, head gaskets, egrs, oil coolers, injectors, etc.

The 7.3 powerstrokes have been around and are stout engines also.
Earlier models, 99.5- late 00 have forged rods vs powder rods on the later years.

My current set up is a 2003 F350 7.3 CC LB Dually 4x4. 22.5" wheel conversion. Custom 6 Position chip, aFe stage 2 intake, 4" turbo back exhaust. seeing about 14-15mpgs around town, and thats beating on it with the heavy 22.5" wheels on there.

My buddy has a 1996 Ram 2500 Extended cab LB 4x4. Fully built ATS trans, Different fuel plate, turned up the timing, avgs. 15-16 around town.


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Post by SUBWAY » Friday, 16 May 2008, 23:59 PM

I have to disagree with 6.0 problems. Every make, model, year of car or truck someone will find a problem
with. Yes there were some problems with the 6.0 around 02 to early 04 very few since then. Dodge has always had bad
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Post by puller » Wednesday, 20 August 2008, 12:35 PM

duramax all the way, you can't beat the ability to make 500hp at the wheels (with tunning alone) and still get 25mpg. and still be able to do all the farm work with it
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Post by slydog » Wednesday, 20 August 2008, 13:58 PM

Phaze91460 wrote:I have a ford, chevy and dodge.



Hate the chevy, cant haul a load, not enough power, cab ergonomics sux.

You must not have the Duramax but the Detroit Diesel.....the DMax has got enough power to pull more than what the truck is rated for.
The Cummins is the best diesel by far....... If you really want to destroy the tranny, put a bully dog on it.
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Post by Watermelonman53 » Wednesday, 20 August 2008, 14:52 PM

Well I'm just going to add that I have a 2000 Ford Excursion 7.3 Diesel 4x4 w/36" A/T tires and it has been a beautiful excellent operating truck with 155,000 miles. Besides regular oil changes Ive only put in 1 alternator(on Monday@$162.00) and brake pads 2 times. I get 18-19mpg on the road and 14-15 in the city or local. Thinking of putting in a 80HP chip to gain 2 more MPG's. Sorry I cant put in any input on the others but I would go Cummins if I had a choice but I'd put it in a GM chassis. I dont like Dodge bodies as a rule.
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Post by Shaft » Wednesday, 20 August 2008, 19:29 PM

I think the perfect HD truck would have a Cummins engine, Ford frame, GMC styling, and an Alison transmission.
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Post by Undertaker4130 » Saturday, 29 November 2008, 21:29 PM

i reccomend ISUZU diesel. I got a 07 ISUZU spartan And it has been very reliable so far and is fast it has a 6 speed auto and when it hits second gear it throws you back in the seat,funny when u see cars at traffic lights get over thinkin il be slow out the hole and i end up keepn right up with them.

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Post by SARGE » Sunday, 30 November 2008, 1:25 AM

I have a '95 chevy 1 ton extended cab dually, which I bought new and it now has 200K. I average 17MPG unloaded and abour 14 loaded. It doesnt have near the power as the ford or dodge, I will admit! I have found some aftermarket performance parts for it which I am going to try out this coming year.

Over the past year I have been looking at all three, ford, GM, and dodge. Personally I prefer the styling and luxury of the GM and the allison tranny (if i go auto), but i like the cummins.

I honestly believe if I were to buy a new 60K truck I would probably go with a dodge mega cab 4x4 with a standard tranny, as the clutches are cheaper to replace vs. an auto tranny! I need a 8' bed though, so it would have to go to either TX or Utah and have the frame extended and an 8' bed put in the place of the 6'. This extention, from what I have read takes about 3 days and cost around $6000.00. IMO to me, it would be well worth it, as I tend to keep my trucks as you can see for what will be 15 years.

I have thought about a power stoke, but they just dont have the fuel mileage. Why ford ever got rid of the great 7.3L is well beyond me. Those were the best!

I was brought up on the chevrolets, and sort-of leary of buying a dodge, but I believe I would have to try it just to have the cummins! I know a guy who has a friend which has a dodge with an auto tranny, and has had to have it replaced 3 times already, but he has had alot of work done to the cummins ( a bully dog tuner)....

One thing I have learned about working on and owning a diesel, is buy yourself a set of the pillar gauges, pyrometer, boost.. and especially when towing, watch your pyrometer! For those of you that may not know, it measures the temp of your exhaust, which does go back into your turbo.

Like some of the other members I too am a fan of the solid front axles. Even when I worked for GM, I never liked the light front IFS, and sure dont like having an electric cylinoid engaging my 4x4. Just one more part that will fail. If you are too lazy to get out and lock your hubs and pull your 4x4 shifter back, then why do you need a 4x4?!!! Now if they would make it an option then great, the electronic shift 4x4 might be great for the older folks who just want to have the 4x4 in case of snow, ice, or just a little extra traction on slick rainy streets!

If I were to do it again today, DODGE would be the first choice, GM second, and FORD third

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Post by Four » Sunday, 30 November 2008, 2:06 AM

ok my turn... im not taking a vote in this poll.. but ill tell you from a diesel technicians point of view.. anymore they are all junk... the power joke.. duraslack and the norunnins.... personally the cummins in the trucks up to 04 is one of the best options.. i have replaced alot of injection pumps in those though.. as far as the power stroke.. they are bad about injector o-rings and the high pressure oil pumps.. (not counting the 07 and newer havnt worked on them yet).. and more personal.. the chevy with the duramax isnt that great of a build.. if you are in grassy or really dirty environments they like to plug up the air to air, condensor and radiator. and all are stacked in there like a tractor/trailer and hard to get out for a good cleaning...

personally.. i would go with the cummins up to 04 but i have seen alot of electrical problems with Chrysler in general. but i feel that is the best engine that you could get if wanting to go with a diesel in light duty...

just my opinion

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Post by Grump » Sunday, 30 November 2008, 2:29 AM

Well hate to burst your bubble guys CAT is getting out of building truck motors My company runs petes with cats in them and next year we are looking for new motors. Cats can't do what needs to be done with the emission laws. So I don't think they will be going in any of the little trucks.I wish someone would start putting detriots in the little trucks. Awesome motors! BUT THAT IS MY OPINION. I am a chevy man my whole life I've have fords and dodges been good vehicle but I'm a chevy man. If it were me I would research they hell out of it and then do more research to find out about them Cause they all have horror stories I wish I could get the old 7.3 ford powerstroke cause that motor was awesome you know ford made it internationals shakes it. Not kidding about research Ihave a ford minivan in my driveway now cause of the research they were the safest and had fewest problems Theres places to look it up.

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Post by Shaft » Sunday, 30 November 2008, 21:35 PM

Toyota is supposed to have their diesel out at the end of next year. No telling what it will be, but some people think it will be a Hino, Toyota's diesel brand. They make a well built truck and I'm sure anything they produce will be successful, but here is one concern I have about a Toyota diesel. It has been at least 20 years since they have sold a diesel in the USA. Even the top mechanics that have been at the dealership forever, haven't touched a diesel in 20 years. There will be a learning curve when it comes out.
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Post by SwampHog » Sunday, 30 November 2008, 21:44 PM

Grandfather has owned a Dodge/Jeep dealership for over 50 years and thats what ive grown up around, naturally my vote goes to Dodge :D

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Post by jessejamesdallas » Sunday, 30 November 2008, 21:49 PM

Mercedes Benz...I had a 84 300SD Turbo, thing had over 250,000 miles on it, and it still ran like a champ...Germans know how to build a Diesel...
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Post by SwampHog » Sunday, 30 November 2008, 21:52 PM

jessejamesdallas wrote:Mercedes Benz...I had a 84 300SD Turbo, thing had over 250,000 miles on it, and it still ran like a champ...Germans know how to build a Diesel...
tell the germans to build anything and it will be amazing :D

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Post by littlesilver3 » Sunday, 30 November 2008, 21:56 PM

SwampHog wrote:
jessejamesdallas wrote:Mercedes Benz...I had a 84 300SD Turbo, thing had over 250,000 miles on it, and it still ran like a champ...Germans know how to build a Diesel...
tell the germans to build anything and it will be amazing :D
I disagree Swamphog.
Mechanical maybe, but electrical is crap. At least the stuff I have dealt with. Im referring to Siemens, and their stuff is crap.

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Post by backwoods » Monday, 01 December 2008, 7:51 AM

I live in the south and most of the farmers ABUSE a truck. Dodge had a weak trans but fixed that. The Duramax's have had very few problems and are the most popular farm truck. I have seen the most trouble from Fords but even they have not been as bad as most make out. I drive a Dodge and unless my work picks up I'll be driving it for awhile!! This is a lighter load I pull, tractor is around 10,000 and the trailer weighs 6400.



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Post by SUBWAY » Sunday, 18 January 2009, 23:43 PM

well no 8ft box with a mega cab by dodge so i had to settle for ford. no problems doin what i need to do with it though.
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Re: Diesel Poll

Post by Roper » Sunday, 08 March 2009, 12:07 PM

I voted for the Dodge I had a Chevrolet Dually with the duramax and hated it I will be looking at the Dodge's for my next truck.
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